Real life here I come.
I never thought I'd be one to do this but for the sake of my own health and sanity I have to. I'm going to take a break from SL. I'll still come in world now and then to check things but for the most part I'm staying away from the computer. I'm going to spend time with my family, my friends, and take care of myself in real life. I'm going to think about what's important to me and why I get up every day and as much as I care for my friends in SL and my loyal customers, they're not it.
I have taken hits for the last two years of my Second Life. I've been called horrible names, I've been threatened, I've been lied about, you name it. I always managed to let it go and move on, just tell myself like my friends said, those people don't matter because they don't know you and they're ignorant. After this last week unfortunately I can't shake it because everything I've worked hard for has been placed under fire.
I've been called a thief by unknown residents who can't spell to save their life in offlines, I've been called a no talent hack who created all their clothing from another game's textures, I've been called a bitch, a cunt, a nobody, a hasbeen, a scammer, a loser, and finally someone who should have saved everyone the trouble and just died during surgery. So that's it, that's all I can take, I don't have a hard outer shell that can be hammered over and over. I have never seen so much vile, evil, and nasty natured people in my entire life, including highschool.
I am tired of having to defend myself only to be knocked down again. Yes I have good friends that care about me and support me, for that I'm thankful, but unfortunately it doesn't stop the blood bath going on. It took me two years to get where I got in Second Life, two years from not even knowing what Photoshop was and it was a hard two years.
I have sourced from the web, I've sourced pieces from game textures, I've bought seamless textures, I've hand drawn, and I've hand painted. Each step for me was a learning process to get to where I could totally create things by hand. I source things like zippers, buttons, lining, etc, I create my own textures or use seamless ones and I use lightwave, I'm very proud of that. I'm proud that I can create things mostly from scratch now. You can call me any name you want to but I stand behind what I create and I wouldn't lie about anything I've used to do it. If anyone EVER had a question about ANYTHING I've created all they had to do was come to me about it and talk to me. I would gladly explain what and how I did it, including what or if I sourced something. I am sure any designer if they had the time would do the very same thing.
I guess that's all I can say really. I'm no saint, I'm not perfect, I've made mistakes, and I've done my best to make up for them. I've done my best to be kind to people, to help people, and I can only hope that the truth will stand in time. I wish everyone well, I wish you all success and happiness in all that you do. I want to thank my friends, other designers, and customers who messaged me with support, kindess, and love.
I don't know when I'll be back..or if I will come back, only time will tell. At this point I don't even know if there is a desire among the residents of SL for me to be part of that world anymore.
Take care SL,
Torrid
*Edited to add, just making it clear that all of the negativity and vileness has come from alt accounts, people under anonymous, and other such "i'm hiding" type of persons. The *actual* people involved in the situation were not and are not part of that negativity and I have nothing but well wishes for them.
posted by Torrid @ 4:04 PM
71 Comments:
If I were in your shoes, I would do the same I think. Sometimes people forget that everyone is a person behind the computer....and just because you have one in front of you to face the yuckiness...it doesn't necessarily mean that it serves as a buffer to lessen the blows.
I hope you heal well and for the time being you forget about the negativity. But I hope you don't completely forget about SL and the possibilities that come with it. Just look at what we accomplished for the American Cancer Society.
I wish you luck Torrid. Take care.
You have to do what you feel is right Ms. Torrid. But you will be missed.
You have been most gracious in IM and e-mail to this newcomer to SL. And the items I have bought from you, have been of goodly quality.
Take care.
*hug*
Torrid I am so very sorry you had to go through somthing so horrible, and right after a big surgery no less. It's a sad sad world when people forget that we are all human and that we ALL make mistakes.
I hope during your time off, you recover fully, not only phically but any part of you that is hurting. I can gaurentee that you have many many more people in this world that love and care for you and will always stand behind you 100%. We know you are a good person, and for those that think otherwise, forget them, that just means they don't know you, we should all take their comments as nothing more than meaningless jibber jabber.
You will be missed while you are away, there is no question there, but I really hope you decide that this will just be a break and not you leaving us for good. In time, things will settle, people will forget and life will go back to the way it was. It's only a matter of time.
I love you Torrid, and I wish you the best!
Hey Torrid.
I'm really sorry all this happened, and I think it's awful that it has come to this. Just know that people, even strangers like me, will miss you. Your designs has always been of great quality, you seem like a wonderful person, and you made having some junk in the trunk acceptable ISL. I'm forever thankful. :)
Come back soon!
♥
nooooooooooooooooooooo.
You can't go. We'll miss you :(
I've already emailed you my thoughts, but I have to say this publically too.
You can't go.
Rar.
I just can't read this without crying. Folks, this started with EYELINER. Just keep that in mind.
to the person who just had to butt in and name names regarding an issue 8 months dead, I hope your lovely blog accomplished what you hoped.
Tor I love you and will call often. - as much as I hate it, I think tor should take this time to heal. Come back refreshed and healthy.
Torrid, I don't know you all that well, but I have had the pleasure of meeting you a few times and working with you on Relay for Life. I am sadenned by all that has happenned.
I don't want too far into the situation that led to this, so I will just say that you will be deeply missed, and Second Life will feel much emptier without you.
I hope this is a blessing in disguise. And hopefully one day you will grace us with your presence again. Thank you SO much for all your contributions, you will be forever remembered, and we will be forever greatful.
Love always,
Lola Marquez
I won't get too much into it, but for what it's worth I do hope you choose to come back.
*hugs Torrid* Get better and Cheer up.
Life lessons though they are hard to put into full use.
Live life as your dancing, Dance for yourself, Don't worry about what other people think of YOUR Dance.
*hugs again* Don't be a stranger, I wanna hear from you sometimes :)
All the best to you. Get out there and find something that will make you happy. Whatever it is, I know you'll be great at it and I hope you'll find much satisfaction in it.
All progress is just a first step on the path, no matter how far you've come. You're truly someone special and I'm with you whatever you do 100%.
I hope my comment didn't sound harsh at all Tor.. I didn't mean it to at all.
Have fun wherever you are, whatever your doing. Heal up, and Love life, to its fullest.
Take Care <3
You will be missed Torrid.
<3
I believe in karma 100%, Torrid. I believe what goes around comes around one way or another. People can be so heartless and just plain nasty at times, with no regrets in the world, and people like that will pay for it in time.
I think alot of this is just an excuse for people to be assholes, some people live for it. If being an asshole was a profession, there'd be lots more successful people in this world. They wait for the perfect timing to get you while you're down and just push you over the edge, don't let people do that to you! You'll give them what they want.
I hope this will only be a break, more of a much needed vacation, and a time to heal. We'll miss you lots while you're away, and I think we can all agree that Secondlife wont be the same without you and your nicely plump booty! Take care and I wish you the best. <3
:< hope you will find will to come back to SL eventually, it'd be darn shame and loss otherwise.... but either way you pick, best luck with the recovery from what you've been put through, both physically and apparently with this recent thing >.<
Can only speak for myself and heck, it's not like we ever really spoke or anything, but SL will be noticeably emptier without you.
You deserve far better than you have received, Torrid.
I'm not a people person. I know I barely understand myself, I struggle to know the people I love and live with every day, and beyond that...the motives and thinking of others is a mystery. I can only try so hard to grasp what bizarre and twisted thought patterns would cause someone to say hurtful, viscious things against someone else.
Particularly when they say those things about someone like like you.
All I can do is fall back on my anti-social "people suck, I wish they would crawl under a rock and die" perspective, and that's not helpful long term.
Rest yourself, re-establish your perspective, enjoy life. Second Life is diminished when people like Torrid Midnight leave, but you have to care for yourself.
Sometimes, you just need a drama break.
Feel better soon, and don't let some retard drama over virtual makeup on a bitmap get you down.
Hey Torrid,
I am so sorry that you are going through all of this especially while trying to recover from surgery. Sometimes taking a break is the best thing to do. I needed a break after the first SLCC and barely was on all winter.
-Jennyfur
I am just now discovering SL, but I am sorry you have experienced so many bad things. I challenge ANY designer, composer, artists or anyone who has done something creative to prove they haven't taken from something outside themselves. EVERYTHING that's created was either influenced by or contained pieces of something else. Hollywood does it constantly, authors do it. As long as you took something and molded it, made it yours, then there's nothing wrong with it. Life, whether it a Second Life or Real Life, is a learning process. We learn in real life by copying or mimicing things around us, why should that stop in a game? Many of the people who gave you grief, were probably jealous of a persons ability to create. Many of them probably can't create anything except trouble... Take time for your friends and family, real or otherwise and as one poster said, remember that Second Life has real people behind the characters and don't forget that just because someone was your friend "only in Second Life" doesn't mean the real person behind that character doesn't care about you as a real person behind YOUR character. Know what I mean?
best of luck, torrid. your decision is sad but understandable. we'll miss you.
Take care Torrid, and follow your heart. But don't ever doubt that there are people who would want you to be part of their (Second) Life.
Don't be shy and say hi from time to time.
I'm going to choose to believe this is a bad joke, heh... but just in case it's not, I gotta get this off my chest!
Torrid, you've always been an amazingly swell and cosmic spirit within SL, and shiznit, I probably would have left without you (true story to follow!). I never told you the story, but the reason I found SL was the slashdot article about IP rights. I was determined to check it out for the "free week", have a laugh or two, and so forth, and then get back to MY RL.
Then I stumbled into Bonifacio and Gibson back in 2003. There was this amazingly goofy and funny crowd of people I got to know. They intriguted me. While it was great to know Nephilaine, Mistress, Ez, Water, Joshua, Cat, Casval, et al... not to mention the overall generosity to the "n00b Flip"... there were two people who really intrigued me.
Washu and Torrid. The two of you - and I have no idea why - always made me laugh, crack up, and want to come back. I always smiled. I always wanted to know more about this whacky place called SL. I know we've never been "best friends" or anything - but through the years, I've made a point of maintaining contact, because of that initial feeling you gave me. I was honored to be invited to your SL wedding, and while I find most of these events a prelude to divorce two weeks later, I actually had an RL tear in my eye on that night in Umber.
I implore you to reconsider. SL always is a roller coaster - crests and valleys, and hey, without the downs, there can never be ups. You're the defining voice of SecondCast (trust me, we drool weekly over you voice), an amazing designing, a wonderful person, but most importantly, you're genuine, and a person I'm proud to call a friend. Take a few weeks off - trust me, after SLCC, I did - it's worth it.
The line between our SLs and RLs is blurring - we're not really affording with the choice of separation any more, if we've be around for a long time. Our real emotions and friendships don't allow it. But know this: without a weekly dose of Torrid in my life - whether it's SecondCast, DJing, or us randomly being together and goofing off... my life, both first and second, will be severely diminished.
We're missing Washu already. She'll come back someday, with Damo, I'm sure. Take a break if you must; but don't leave.
Just remember - if it weren't for you, I wouldn't still be here! Yeah, that's right - it's all your fault!
Either way, I'll respect your decision, but there's my plea.
Hugs,
-Flip
Take some time for you, Torrid. You don't deserve what people have been saying.
I'll miss you if you're not around much anymore, but I understand why you have to do it.
Get well soon!
You will be missed in SL. I bought your stuff, I saw your tallent and enjoyed it. Plus, you were one of the "oldbies" who was always nice to this "newbie" way back when. I hope very much your future is filled with something wonderful.
Torrid, please hear me. Do take some time off, but do return. I refuse to believe that it's going to be this that turns you away from everyone who cares about you.
You are worth 100 times the value of all of your detractors put together. None of them have done a hundredth with their lives as you have with yours. They would love nothing more than for you to disappear forever.
I understand that you've been hurt by them. I know how ugly people can be. Take the time to heal, to reassess, and come back to SL stronger than ever. Don't let this darkness overwhelm you.
I only met you once, for the interview, but you made your impression on me the same way you have for everyone you meet. You are loved. Hold tight to that in the face of everything your detractors say about you. You are loved, and loved well, by people who know how to trust their hearts. Honor that, and return to us.
Just a well wishing missive to add to the others, for your health, familia, and above all your peace of mind. I've only met you once and briefly but I admire both your work in SL and its community. Be safe, be happy, know you're thought after and fondly.
Torrid,
You and I have spoken in world and you know what I think! Healing time it is..
You take care of yourself, because YOU are the most important thing here.
<3
Torrid,
It seems such a long time ago I first met you and I was so impressed with your personailty, sweetness and approachability. At the time, I was a newbie and didn't really know the magnitude of your talents or your contributions to our world.
I have watched what you have created and been amazed. I have seen what you have done for others and have beem inspired to do the same. You are truly a kind soul and do not deserve the treatment you have described.
There are people in the world that are not happy - no matter what. They take this displeasure and tear others down. These are the same people that, with the same treatment, would crumble and die.
They are bullies.
It's easy to say that only people that matter, have opinions that matter...but words still leave a gray dullness on our hearts.
We will all be at a great loss to lose you and your spirit here. Please stay!
I'm sorry to hear it, Torrid... totally understandeable, though. I've always thought your work was amazing, and SL would be a poorer place if you never came back. Take care of yourself and good luck!
bah.
There's way too much of this lately. Rest up, eat some soup & baguette and then reconsider.
Sighs I will never understand how people can be so cutting and unfair. I guess it's just all too easy for some to forget that we're human beings behind the screen and have feelings.
I really hope you come back, I don't know you personally but I have nearly all of your designs in my inventory. In fact your designs were among the very first I bought in sl.
But perhaps some time will help, and certainly you don't need any crap after having surgery.
Here's hoping we'll soon be toasting your return to sl. Don't let the bastards drag you down.
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Torr, there's not much I can say that hasn't already been said by the many people that posted before me. I CAN say I love you and wish you all the best in whatever your ultimate decision is. I'll miss you.
*bear hugs*
Torrid, you have no idea who the heck that I am, except that I am a very conspicuous consumer. I can't believe how hurtful and unfeeling some people can be. Your talent is totally amazing. I am constantly amazed by the talent in SL. You have to do what is best for YOU. You will be very missed. Officially, I am a shopaholic and have been shopfree for 2 months, 3 weeks, 3 days, 13 hours and 12 minutes. Unofficially, I do have almost everything that you've created. *smiles*
Hello Torrid,
Although I think we may have had a total of one conversation since I've been in game, I've always respected you as a designer. As a newbie, I used to say "I want to design like torrid, nephaline, simone". Finally, I found my own niche, just like I'm sure you did when you first started...and I'm quite happy about it. I've met some opposition, but it doesn't look like it was nearly as bad as what you have had to deal with.
I've not been on SL much recently because I've been busy RL, but I'll tell you this...even the most stressful day RL is more rewarding than being in SL most days (because of the negativity). I'm sure you'll find what you're looking for in your break. It just seems to all come together. I wish you the best of luck. My prayers are with you.
Get well, take care, and come back soon. Driving you away just means anonymous asshats win.
Torrid,
I know we don't know each other well but that times I've been around you are fond memories. You are a lovely person and full of life and imagination. Take your break and then come back to us. You'll be sorely missed on the face of SL so do please come back. Everyone needs the time away at some time or another and this is your time. The folks responsible for making you feel this way deserve nothing less than the despisement of the entire SL Community.
Hugs,
Lecktor Hannibal
Awww torrid will miss you. Sometimes you need a break though, better come back and say Hi sometime though.
Barnes
My heart goes out to you Torrid, please read this when you get a moment. Big o'Hugz to you.
http://catcotton.blogspot.com
Peace Torrid. Feed your soul, drink from your lifesource. Although it is often not seen until moments of crisis we are surrounded by loving energy that is more powerful than the lower negative energy. SL is SL, your amazing talent and spirit is real.
Take care and if you are in Sl enjoy your friends.
Torrid... I detest what has happened to you. Idea: make an alt, explore the newer regions of SL, and feel like a newbie again. Don't let the bastards (and bitches) get you down. <3 P2
Torrid, I never met you in SL (although I heard a lot of nice things about you), but I think I understand how you must be feeling...
A POEM FOR EVERY PERSON...
(From: John T. Wood, How do you feel?)
I will present you parts of myself, slowly
If you are patient and tender....
I will open drawers that mostly stay closed
and bring out places and people and things
sounds and smells, loves and frustrations,
hopes and sadnesses,
bits and pieces of three decades of life
that have been grabbed off in chunks
and found lying in my hands.
They have eaten their way into my memory
carved their way into my heart.
altogether ... you or I will never see them ...
they are me.
If you regard them lightly,
deny they are important
or worse - judge them
I will quietly, slowly,
begin to wrap them up,
in small pieces of velvet,
like worn silver and gold jewelry,
tuck them away in a small wooden chest of drawers
and CLOSE.
(Actually I think P2 put it better in the previous comment, don't let them get to you, you made an impact here in SL, hope you come back, - and show 'em what your made of)
There is never reason to be hateful. I'm sorry (and unnerved) that people have the capacity for such meanness. Be safe.
PS The alt idea sounds like fun.
Baron Grayson here...I wanted to say that you'll be missed..for me the creative pool in SL sparkles just a little bit less.
Torrid, I'm just in disbelief. I cannot imagine this place without you. You've done so much for the Relay, and you truly are just a real class act. I wish you nothing but the best, and hope that you will come back when you've had time to heal. ~hugs~ -- Sue Stonebender.
Well after all is said and done, I've enjoyed your work in SL, and some quiet inspired designs.
I do not see from my perspective any need for you to leave and hope you stay and design up a storm.
Torrid, Like many other people, I am unknown to you, but I "know" you through secondcast and your gorgeous designs, not to mention the charity events. I just wanted to add to the messages of support. Take a sanity/healing break, but please come back :-)
Mostly like the others I wanted to offer my well wishes to you "T". I was there in beta like you. In fact it was a group of people, yourself included, that I first hung out with in SL. I'm not really a part of that world now but I occasionally keep up on things there. I don't think you can be touched by something as great as SL could be and not have some connection with it. I guess I just wanted to say you are part of that "something great", so thanks.
"G"
Torrid, I do not know you, but I have admired your work for a long time. I am sad to hear what has been done to you and understand your need to take a break. I know that you must be very sad today, for your investment here, in energy and emotion, is great. To have all that seeminly tarnished by a handful of hurtful cowards is a terrible blow to the spirit. But know this, for every one of these jerks, there are twenty more like me, who think you are wonderful, and that your contributions here have been both foundational and amazing. Take your break, you deserve it. But come back soon. Do not allow this temporary darkness to dampen the light of your heart ... you will be missed!
Torrid
this is all so damn fkd it makes me just shake my head and wonder why, some people have to be so damn petty. Hold your head high and remember always who you are, and what you gave to SL and that your presence here was important and you will be missed.
Take care girl and hurry back we all miss you. An SL without you, just does not seem like an SL at all.
Geez. I heard about this on New World Notes, but it sounds even worse here.
I hope you get some good relaxation and time away, but I also hope you come back refreshed. Second Life is for everybody, eventually, and it sucks to loose someone who is such an important part of its history.
I am so sorry to see you leave SL, and will miss you on Secondcast, the boys are nothing without you!!!
You are right though, that SL is not RL, and if things in SL are affecting the real you, that you is more important.
Please remember those of us that wish you nothing but health and happiness, and are willing to put our real pseudonyms to our posts :)
I wish you a speedy recovery to full health and all the best for your future whether you spend any of it in SL or not.
OHHH!!! Torrid, though we've never met, you are one of the people who inspired me to try designing in the first place...when I was a fresh-faced newbie, I stumbled upon your shop (and Nephilaine's, and Janie Marlowe's), and was so wowed. I loved not only the designs, but the degree to which all of you espressed your personalities and uniqueness in them, and in your builds, and your advertising...the originality was inspiring.
Watching my SL heros (if you will) deal with the endless crap of the last few months has been frustrating, but also inspiring in another way, as those of you I really admire have handled it with such incredible dignity. You're right, Torrid, it's much more important for you to take care of yourself, and those you love, in your real life...but I hope you understand how much you mean to so many people here in SL, who will never think of you in anything but a positive light. You will continue to be a HUGE inspiration to me to matter what.
I hope you find comfort and much happiness, in both of your lives. xo
So much drama follows the high profile people... *sigh*
Just like real life. Only it's concentrated 1000% and hurts just as bad.
I get really tired of it all, but I know in the end the positive will outweigh the negative.
Take a break from it all and come back ready to start a brand new chapter =)
As you can see from all of the posts, you will be missed by many. Take care and enjoy your break.
Torrid,
I have never spoken to you and now I wish I had. I have worn your clothes and have been happy to tell others where I got them. Your creations and some others have gotten me inspired to try and design some of my own.
I wish you the best of luck and health.
I will miss Torrid Wear.
Take care.
Hi Torrid,
I'm not sure if I could handle listening to the guys on secondcast by themselves without hearing you in the mix. It just wouldn't be the same! :(
Can you recosider? Please?
Regards
Greg Hauptmann
PS. Torrid if you leave secondcast we're going to make you listen listen to Johnny & co in all the podcasts ok, every episode they do, including radioshack references etc.....does that scare you enough to come back to secondcast at least? :)
I've been away for the weekend, so as yet, I still don't know what happened, but hun, know that my thoughts are with you.
Take care.
I am new to SL, but I have listened to all the Secondcasts, and coincidentally, I just loaded all The Goods episodes on my ipod. I am a fan. And you are a bright light in my wretched workday. I also wish you well, both physically and mentally. You do what is best for you. I do hope that in the SL sandbox of digital humanity that goodwill prevails over selfish bitterness. Take care.
Zentr Kyogen
Vivianne Draper here. Don't know you at all but I love your work. I hope you come back. Sorry all the bad stuff has happened.
Sounds like a good plan. Spend some time in Real Life for a while, and get a grip. Attain some maturity, and reflect on what it means to be a public figure -- even in a game-like world. Ask yourself if you really want to take what goes with the territory in this kitchen -- the heat.
Don't subject people to an expectation that they must be your fawning and admiring public -- they aren't. Your performance on Second Cast helps create the image of Second Life as a catty, gossipy inside-joke sort of girls' clique place where the people are always laughing at someone at their expense. Now your parading of this story with all its sordid aspects, and your caving to the threats of mean-spirited and thuggish people only enables them further.
I remain unmoved by people's attempts either to deploy RL emergencies and difficulties as coin in the realm of SL and a sympathy bid; and I remain unmoved by grand-standing gambits and melodramatic "Don't Cry For Me, Second Life" sort of exits that take forever and never really happen -- a graceful departure is a good thing to master.
Copying and theft are nowhere near the problems in Second Life that you imagine; nor are they at the top of the list for most people. Get a trademark in RL, get a RL lawyer, and make your case or make your defense or don't -- don't drag us into the drama.
I'm also supremely unmoved by Johnny Ming and Lordfly Digeridoo trying to railroad their listeners into joining in this sordid campaign. I think this is a good time for Johnny Ming to cast off his caste and start rotating his guests far more often if he wants to perform the public service of being a leading talk show host and if he wishes to gain the public trust.
Torrid,
I forgot to mention that Miss Clio sends her love and hugs too for you in this trying time. She hopes you come back soon and would hope to meet you inworld personally since all you had was her portfolio ;-)
Hugs again and I hope today finds you feeling better.
Lecktor
oh put a sock in it Prok.
*cries* you're meh biggest hero *hugs*
I'll definitely miss you on SecondCast, Torrid. I don't buy clothes, etc. in SL (just note my outfits...LOL), but I respect the heck out of anyone who works as hard as you do, and I really enjoy your part of the SecondCast banter. If and when you come back, there are plenty of us who will welcome you with open arms.
I wish it were harder to believe that people could be so hurtful to others. *sigh* It's not right.
Take care of yourself.
Torrid, don't mind what Pruella said, she's just an idiot.
However! Have a good time with whatever life you choose! And get healthy again, Torrid. Eat plenty of fruits and sea vegetables. :D
Squee will miss you!
You don’t know me, and we’ve never met, but I wear the hair you designed (which is so much apart of my self identity) and I wear many of the clothes you’ve designed. Though you’ve never met me, it's like all that hard work you’ve done over the past two years -- you were speaking to me so personally and directly. It is as if you know my inner self, at least that inner self as it is expressed through clothes and style.
I LOVE what you’ve done in your art. I LOVE hearing you have done well and are one of the top designers. I LOVE knowing you have hundreds of fans as if you were my personal designer and these other people are “Well, duh . . . . . she’s so talented and good.”
Catch you’re breath. Every creative person needs to regroup emotionally or otherwise. And here is one very heartfelt soft tender hug from a person you have never met your entire life who absolutely worships your spirit which has given life to my avatar and made ME in the image I see myself!!!! For that, I can never thank you enough.
Everyone is saying how unfair all this is to Torrid. Well guess what how many times have all of you debased and "ran out of town" new designers who have done the same thing she has been accused of. So its unfair that because she is well known this should not happen? Come on people why are you guys so blind. So what is good for the goose isn't good for the gander then? For once I have to agree with Prok...it's time to get over this sobfest and this "dont cry for me SL" and make a graceful exit. Of course I dont agree with all the mean things that were said about you but people leaving all these puke invoking messages are all HYPOCRITES!!! Yeah I said it..what!
You are the only one that knows what is best for you, don't let others make that choice for you.
Advice for a friend that I need to take. So I thought I pass it on.
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